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How to get INSANE GAMING PERFORMANCE out of AMD Ryzen 3 2200G APU – Ryzen 2200G Optimization Guide

How to get INSANE GAMING PERFORMANCE out of AMD Ryzen 3 2200G APU – Ryzen 2200G Optimization Guide


Intro
During my original $350 AMD Ryzen APU build video, some of you were impressed with the
gaming performance it had to offer, and some of you wound up disappointed. Well, in this incredibly late follow-up, I’m
going to show you how to squeeze quite a bit of extra performance out of your Ryzen APU
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description. In Review
For a quick review – though I definitely recommend watching the previous build video before watching
this one, linked in the video description – we built a $350 Ryzen APU system with the
AMD Ryzen 2200G, a kit of 2 4GB sticks of 2400MHz DDR4 RAM, a cheapo Silicon Power 240GB
SSD, the beastly Rosewill Blackhawk case on a great sale, and a Seasonic 520W PSU. I used the MSI B350M Pro-VD PLUS motherboard,
but that required an AMD Boot Kit and BIOS update to run the APU. I recommended the ASRock AB350M Pro4 motherboard
instead, as it is already ready to go for the APUs without an update. Performance was decent on medium or low settings
in CSGO, Fortnite ran great, Crysis ran okay, Warframe ran amazing and games like Paladins
and Smite ran really fast. Ironsight was a solid experience, too. But games like DOOM, PUBG, and more demanding
titles weren’t really playable. Well, that changes today. Like, a lot. RAM OC
Let’s talk setup first – to get the VERY BEST out of your system, there’s a few steps
to do: Firstly, if your motherboard has “easy profiles”
for RAM like this MSI motherboard does, spend some time finding a good overclock for your
RAM. In the last video I questioned whether it
would be better to have faster single channel or slower dual channel RAM… Well, both. You want both. These settings are in your BIOS settings,
accessed by hitting the appropriate F-key or the Delete key when it posts the motherboard
logo, and then going to Advanced settings mode. The Patriot kit I got worked on first try
with the second 3200MHz timings profile. This is huge – an 800MHz overclock on the
RAM helps Ryzen performance a LOT, and beats the stock speeds of that single stick. Now to figure this out for yourself will be
annoying and there’s a reason I recommend doing it first. In order to “try” these, you just have
to apply them – go for the looser timings first, take note if any work – go to Exit,
save changes and let it reboot. If it reboots and posts the BIOS logo and
such, you’re likely good. If the screen never comes back on and it keeps
rebooting, then that setting didn’t work. Hard shut down the system by holding the power
button until it kicks off and the lights go off. Next, flip off the switch on the back of your
power supply. Open your case and pull out the CMOS battery
– a little watch battery-looking battery. Use the tab and wiggle it out. Leave it sitting out for a minute or two,
pop it back in, turn on the power supply, and boot the PC. This clears out your BIOS settings so you
can start over – this is why I recommend doing this first, so you don’t keep wiping the
important steps later. Alternatively, if you have a “Clear CMOS”
button on your motherboard or back IO you can probably use that – my motherboard doesn’t
have it. This step is trial and error until you get
a setting that can boot. Each RAM kit will be different, but this 3200MHz
setting worked for my Patriot kit. VRAM
A crucially important step to improve performance with this build is to increase the amount
of available VRAM, or video RAM, available to the graphics part of the APU. By default, it only reserves 256MB for itself
– which is something you’d expect from a high-end graphics card…. From 2004. In your BIOS, under settings, Advanced, integrated
graphics configuration, change the “UMA Frame Buffer Size” or VRAM from 256MB to
the maximum, which should be 2G. IF you have more than 4GB of RAM. For an 8GB RAM build, this is perfect. For a 4GB RAM build, this will likely cause
problems due to only leaving 2GB to the rest of your system. Please don’t build something with only 4GB
of RAM in 2018 unless it’s running Linux or Windows XP or something. Exit and save these changes. Anytime you need to clear CMOS or reset the
BIOS due to other changes, you’ll need to come back and apply this setting. It’s hugely important. CPU Overclocking
Next, it’s time to overclock the CPU. In my testing, I couldn’t push it too far
so if there’s a “Game Boost” mode auto-overclock tool built-in to your BIOS, you can probably
just enable that and be fine. On my motherboard, that got me a free overclock
from 3.5 to 3.75GHz. If you do want to push it further, turn Game
Boost or whatever off, change CPU ratio to 38 for 3.8GHz and leave everything else on
Auto – except your RAM timings and the VRAM setting we changed earlier. I had not problem getting 3.85GHz stable without
changing voltages or anything more complicated. Then you can run a free stress test such as
Prime95 – linked in the description – for 30 minutes and make sure it stays cool and
stable. I’m using Core Temp – another free program
– to make sure the CPU doesn’t get too hot. Using the stock Wraith cooler included with
the APU it gets quite toasty – but nothing dangerous or problematic. If you want to spend $20 to $40 on a better
cheap tower cooler you’d definitely be fine. As long as there are no errors in the 4 test
threads in Prime95 after 30 minutes or so and you’re not holding at like 95 degrees
the whole time, you’re good to go! If there are errors or it runs too hot, reboot
back into BIOS and lower the number to 37 or 37.5 – or just use the Game Boost mode. Ryzen master
You can, in theory, do CPU and GPU overclocking in the Ryzen Master software that you can
download from AMD – it’s a software utility that runs in Windows and allows you to adjust
things there instead of going to BIOS and etc. However, I found it to not be all that useful,
the default values were inaccurate and I couldn’t even get the same results I got stable fine
in BIOS with it. So that’s up to you. It reads the default GPU speed as like 400
MHz which is nowhere near correct, however. Kinda disappointing, as I was more sold on
software overclocking lately with Intel’s Extreme Tuning Utility being very easy to
use to overclock my i9. But Ryzen APUs have a lot of quirks we’ll
discuss later. GPU Overclock
Next up is an overclock that you should be prepared for issues with. If you want to skip this step, that’s fine
– if it gives you issues it can be a headache, but you have potential to gain a lot of performance
here. In the BIOS under the OC section, below CPU
ratio you have “GFX Clock Frequency” and “GFX Core Voltage”. Leave “GFX Core Voltage” on auto or set
it to 1.2V if you’re trying a higher frequency. Then… frequency is going to be fun. Some insane people can apparently push it
to 1650MHz – though that kept giving me thread locked Bluescreens. 1450MHz seems to be a more commonly stable
speed, but that kept crashing for me in weird ways as well. I wound up having to back it down to only
1240MHz to 1300MHz to have any sort of stability – still random bluescreens or quirks that
seem to be driver-related – but even that tiny amount really helps with speed. To confirm that it’s working you can play
a game or run a free benchmark like Superposition. You can also use the number generated by this
benchmark to see any improvements gained by tweaks you make, graphics-wise. Background software
One last thing before we get into the games – limit what background processes you have
running. Like REALLY limit them. Close anything you’re not using, and Windows
Defender even uses up a fair bit of resources. While I cannot, in good faith, recommend leaving
Defender disabled all of the time – disabling it during gaming netted me HUGE gains in benchmarks
– almost 2000 points in 3DMark Skydiver, almost 700 points in 3DMark CloudGate, and about
120 points in the SuperPosition benchmark. To turn off Windows Defender’s realtime
protection, click start, click the settings cog, “Update and Security”, click “Windows
Security” on the left, then click on “Virus & Threat Protection,” click on “Virus
and Threat Protection Settings” and turn off real-time protection. Again, this is risky if your network doesn’t
have good security and you don’t have good practices, but disabling ONLY during gaming
should be okay. Decide for yourself if the risk is worth the
performance gains. Gaming Benchmarks
ONTO the games and VoxMarks! I mainly wanted to test games that struggled
last time or would have significant improvements this time around, as well as a couple new
games. With the CSGO benchmark map, last time I ran
things on medium with 4x MSAA and recommended maybe knocking down to low. With all the new settings, I was able to crank
it up to High with Shader Detail on Very High and MSAA and we still averaged 65.8FPS with
only the big brutal smoke areas struggling. During actual gameplay, average framerate
was 77FPS. Insane gains! Now, there was some loading hiccups when I
first got into the map for a minute or two – this would be resolved by a warmup round,
the the rest of the match was smooth as butter. Ironsight was able to be kicked up to High
settings for most settings. I wound up turning down Anti-Aliasing to Average
or low, and it still sometimes struggled when there was a lot of alpha effects – or transparent
stuff like smoke, fire, the on-screen red blood indicator, etc. but matches averaged
61FPS on High and 103FPS on Average settings, so definitely some good stuff there. The Realm Royale alpha isn’t hard to run,
but at 1080p with everything maxed, I got an average of 110FPS with a 1% low of 57.3FPS. Doesn’t get much better than that. Unlike last time, DOOM 2016 was actually playable! Running in Vulkan mode w/ same settings as
last time, framerates weren’t too much higher – average of 39.9FPS, but it actually felt
responsive enough during gameplay to be an enjoyable experience. Menus were very sluggish, however. I also wanted to test the PUBG mobile emulator. I ran on medium game graphics settings with,
unlocked framerate, anti-aliasing disabled, and so on and the game ran wickedly well. There’s 3 different settings menus to look
at, plus the “low medium high” setting when you first launch the game. Since it ran so well, I cranked everything
up to the max. Full ultra HD 2k, extreme settings, everything
as high as possible in every setting menu and I still averaged 52.4FPS, and it was a
very enjoyable experience. I got a couple wins out of it, too! There’s still about 60% bots in this part
due to the player segmentation, but it’s still fun for casual play, especially when
I’m only half paying attention to benchmark. PUBG itself runs alright, with everything
on very low except for View Distance, I averaged 41FPS and it was way more playable than last
time. But this was on a previous Windows install. My fresh install of Windows 10 1803… has
issues… more on that later. Minecraft can now hold a locked 120FPS most
of the time with it dropping down to the 90s at night. Sweet. Crysis ran a little better with 45FPS being
the low-end I saw and it reaching over 60FPS at times. Fun! Quirks & Problems
Overall I was VERY impressed with the huge performance gains seen by all of the tweaks,
BUT this whole experience has been filled with many headaches. I had to do all of my rounds of benchmarks
4 or 5 times. After it became clear 1450MHz on the GPU wasn’t
stable, after I reinstalled Windows 10 due to constant Bluescreens, after I decided disabling
Defender was worth the gains. There seems to be some… disagreements with
the Ryzen APUs and Windows 10. The driver doesn’t get along well, Windows
10 1803 just hates it, it’s a mess, really. I thought I was crazy but there’s a lot
of forum threads about issues similar to what I’ve been having and I actually stumbled
upon two JayzTwoCents videos where he ran into similar glitchiness and discovered AMD
was distributing the wrong driver and a lot more nonsense. Sometimes I’ll get a “thread locked in
process” bluescreen. Every once in a blue moon I’ll get an “ERROR
BAD CONFIG” bluescreen – this was especially problematic in the old Windows 10 install
and when trying to upgrade it, which is why I did a fresh install. And two games – only two out of all that I’ve
tested – just flat out don’t work somehow. Skyrim Special Edition, as soon as it launches,
inverts system colors and the game. Even after I close it, I have to reboot to
fix things. PUBG now launches and just totally glitches
the colors out altogether – something I haven’t seen since like Windows 98. This normally only affects the game and only
in Fullscreen or FullScreen (Windowed) mode, but when I tried getting around it by running
in a Window and forcing it borderless fullscreen using the app… it froze and turned the entire
system into a glitchy mess that I had to hard reset. And this is even with the GPU overclock disabled. I really have no idea what’s going on here
and at this point I’m happy to blame the APU because holy cow…. APUs always seem to have weird little quirks,
but this is bonkers. Conclusion
Otherwise… this is a beastly little gaming PC and definitely has huge bang for the buck
outside of those issues. Hopefully AMD can get their crap together
and get this resolved because I would love to see the APUs more widely utilized for budget
gaming. This has certainly been an experience, but
I do feel that the value per dollar of the build is well, well worth it. And that 520W power supply means that you
can add in a beefy GPU later, up to a GTX 1070, even – though a 1050ti or 1060 might
be a smarter choice, and get even more gaming power out of it once your budget grows. Product links and the first build video will
be in the description down below. Down there is a link to our sponsor, Lorex
Technology, check them out. While you’re at it, subscribe and enable
notifications so you don’t miss an episode. I’m EposVox, and I’ll see you in the next
one.

100 thoughts on “How to get INSANE GAMING PERFORMANCE out of AMD Ryzen 3 2200G APU – Ryzen 2200G Optimization Guide”

  1. ★ ★ ★ SPONSOR: Lorex Technology – https://fbit.co/7cfI
    Yes, if you must insist on proving yourself right on the internet — you CAN reset BIOS using a jumper on the motherboard. It's just not my default way of doing things, I've been doing the battery method for 10+ years and have literally never shorted the jumper for that. Especially when this is a tiny motherboard, it was much easier to keep reaching down and grabbing battery than to turn on my phone flashlight, look up in the manual where the jumper is, find a screwdriver, short the jumper. And in terms of accessibility, that prospect is a little more scary to new PC builders. But yes, I am aware you can totally do it. There are multiple solutions to any problem.
    ★ TIMECODES: ★
    00:00 Intro
    00:52 In Review
    01:59 RAM
    04:03 VRAM
    05:03 CPU OC
    06:26 Ryzen Master?
    07:11 GPU OC
    08:19 Background Processes
    09:22 Gaming Benchmarks
    12:34 Quirks & Problems
    14:35 Conclusion

  2. Im having this issue when im going to watch video in full screen..plz help to fix this..I cant watch video and games also..plz help me

  3. 1700Mhz very safe and no glitches. 1.2 volts. Running temps are nice and low never going last 67 but that’s prolly because the furnace at my house went out lol

  4. Let's explain what the fuck you just did: overclocking of ram and cpu speeds, USING RAM AS VRAM(WTF?) and getting +40fps avg? It's not real fps-es by the way. We can see you got cut-freezes in some moments because ram with any boost is slower. Anyway i never saw something like that. Respect from budget gamers!

  5. I wouldn’t recommend auto OC or overclocking with auto voltage. In both cases, the motherboard will pump in more voltage than needed, and could possibly degrade the CPU over time

  6. you should oc the gpu on these apu first and get the highest oc you can then oc the cpu core last you will get higher gpu clock speed than if you do cpu first and maybe not as much cpu oc but the trade off is worth it

  7. highly recommend using b450 motherboards yes its more but its stable with ryzen 2200g and 2400g. sometimes a bios update just is not the same as the motherboards designed with a chip in mind.

  8. Can i give you posible solution to your problem,try disabeling xmp profile and turn ram speeds to normal without oc, i bet it will fix crashing issue and eaven maybe inverted colors…just try it and would love to hear back from you

  9. For that step where u limit processes there's an application called Razer game boost. It disables everything u don't need while gaming. It even has an option that disables windows explorer (ur desktop) and has a special gaming desktop. This clears about 200-600 mb of RAM and can reduce ur CPU usage by up to 20%. I know u master race people prolly laff that I have to do this but u can yield results out of it too!

    Happy days

  10. Cant get past 2933mhz with my 2400mhz 2×8 g skill ripjaws v kit, i tried loose timings, higher dram voltage and soc voltage but nothing worked. I have a b350m mortar motherboard.

  11. i also have amd ryzen 3 2200g with motherboard TUF B450M 2 pcs ddr3 4gb ram 1600mghz and a graphics card amd hd r7950. power supply true rated 600 watts. is it ok?

  12. ok so for my Ryzen 3 2200 build with integrated video what is better ? 2 x 4 GB 3000 mhz CL 16 or 2×4 GB 2666 mhz CL 13 ?

  13. This awesome little CPU is going to be the heart of my friends new Rig that I'm building him this weekend. After seeing this video I'm Soo much more hyped then I was before! Great vid super helpful
    Thank you so much 😊

  14. I know this is 2019 but I'm still gonna use this puppy for my build, and overclock it of course since this will be basically my gpu for the next while since I won't be able to afford anything after I get this.

  15. Got this with a rx vega 56 strix but going to upgrade to a ryzen 5 2600 so i dont get any bottlenecking

  16. @Epoxvos … i have a question when iam playing gta 5 my cpu temp is 70 ° … i'm worried if it to bad for my cpu ? … notice me !

  17. If I am able to OC my Ram to lets say 3k and after about 2 days the PC doesnt boot does that mean the OC didnt hold and I have to try another setting or the memory is bad?

  18. Can someone clarify something for me? on amazon the ryzen 3 says it max system ram speed is 2667MHz. Does this mean its just not recommended to go over that?

  19. What should I look for if I get random CPU spikes? I run iracing flawlessly 99% of the time and all of a sudden it will randomly spike for about 2 seconds. (This is detrimental in a racing game haha)

  20. This hassle is the only reason I get Pentium g5400, but hey it's cheaper ~30$, my old gpu will suffice for a while I hope..

  21. I put an rx 590 in
    With 16gig 3200mhz
    And a ssd
    Ran a phenom for a decade
    Lul
    I tried the ssd and rx 590 in the phenom but she was maxed out.
    The 2200g seems to be at half or less useage. Plus.the ram.
    The games I play tho
    Such an improvement.

  22. if it keeps rebooting it is memory training, it can take 3-5 tries before it reverts to old setting, so ya can actually often train it to work just fine

  23. As of july the 11th where i live the price of 2200g is 90$ , the price of 2400g is 140 $ and the price of 3400g is 190$. Price – performance wise what should i buy ?

  24. my god, don't tell people to start by overclocking ram, most of them are not confident with overclocking. Ram overclocking is complicated by it's own, an inexpert user might leave the voltage to auto or set too high. And if the system boots, it doesn't mean that it's stable, it's always better to run memtest for some hour.
    5:11 What really, use the motherboard auto oc? or set the multiplier and leave everithing on auto? What's wrong with you? at least tell people to not exceed 1.4v Don't do this type of videos, if you don't tell part of the settings

  25. I can't even getting 30 fps in 720p lowest settings everything is off i played games shadow of the tomb raider 20 fps average
    Assasins creed origins 24 fps average
    Just cause 17 fps in 720p plzz help my pc specs are ryzen 3 2200g with 8gb ddr4 3000mhz single stick . 720p normal settings in gta 5 i got 40fps average help me. I have windows 10 version 1903 and i have updated my drivers guys help me. 😢😢😢

  26. 5:11 wtf??? Use the motherboard auto OC? While yes that may work the issue with it is it typically gives the CPU way more voltage then it needs for Ryzen 2 you shouldn't exceed 1.4 volts and even if the auto OC doesn't exceed this it's still better to manually overclock as you can probably get the voltage much lower while keeping the same clock speed (Not always though) it would've been much better to do a tutorial on manual Overclocking rather than telling people to use Auto OC also when overclocking ram you should run memtest for an hour or more but you said nothing of this

  27. When you say the words; "probably", "maybe", and "likely" convinced me to not follow any of what u were saying.

  28. Do Change these mentioned settings and overclock your CPU+APU if you have a good motherboard and PSU otherwise you will have a nuclear explosion 😂😂🤣

  29. holy shit when you said this step is trial and error i did all of that step without knowing that's what i was suppose to do, i was just straight up guessing thinking i fucked up my motherboard, weird thing is when i got it all fixed and ready to go my motherboard audio 3.5mm drive broke and now has this static sound coming through it, i did everything to reinstall the driver etc, and later on found out my sound driver from the motherboard is dead. good thing USB audio is a thing.

  30. Will you consider doing this same process with the new 3400g? Curious how the improved thermals will enable overclocking and thereby performance.

  31. Memory speed makes a huge difference for APU. Buy minimum DDR4 3200Mhz. 3600Mhz would be perfect ! APUs are awesome. Doom, Boarderlands , Division 2 all well run on my Ryzen 2400g. I have not overclocked APU because my case only has 150W power supply but i did overclock memory without increasing voltage. i am really getting good results. Most modern games have resolution scaling option so i can run games in 2560×1080 and then just scale back resolution accordingly. For Doom at 80% with medium settings i am getting 60FPS, in Division 2 at 75% and low settings i am getting 35FPS, Boarderlands 2 max settings with ambient occlusion off i am getting 50FPS etc. etc. etc.

  32. my mobo dont let me oc the cpu to 3.8ghz which is effin bs since i also have a dedicated rx 580 8gb i disable the integrated gpu still cant oc just the cpu wtf

  33. i have the same apu but was able to put the vram up to 16gb which is how much ram i have in my system i set it to 4gb of vram which is working great but i was wondering if that could hurt my ryzen 3 2200g

  34. Can u tell me some thing to improve my laptop make it faster I got am Ryzen 3 Vega 3 graphics 2200U 4gb ram can u tell some ways to improve games like fortnite and other games

  35. well actually my computer is stuck and can't boot tried to remove that small battery nothing happend tried everything what should i do now ?

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